Today, Amos and Ex chat with former North Dakota senator Byron Dorgan in a wide-ranging conversation that tackles everything from energy and health policy to Standing Rock. And disaster fiction. Beside his 2006 book on trade and outsourcing, Take This Job and Ship It, Dorgan has co-authored two remarkably apocalyptic novels with David Hagberg: Blowout (2012) and Gridlock (2013). The former takes on the very real threat of climate disaster and posits North Dakota as ground zero for the climate solutions that will have to emerge if humans are to save our civilization this century. And as the 2020 presidential campaign heats up, we get an answer to the question of why Dorgan never ran for President.